On his radio program last night, Breitbart Jerusalem bureau chief and senior investigative reporter Aaron Klein confronted the co-founder of a radical black gun club that espouses Black Panther ideology regarding the organization’s rhetoric purportedly encouraging violence against police officers.

Klein asked Yafeuh Balogun, co-founder of the Huey P. Newton Gun Club, a black militant gun group named after Black Panther Party founder Huey P. Newton, whether his group’s anti-cop rhetoric may have helped to incite the atmosphere that led to the most recent police killing incidents in Dallas and Baton Rouge.

Balogun was confronted about his group’s militant chants, like “Oink! Oink! Bang! Bang!” referring to police officers as pigs.  The group has also been filmed chanting “A pig is a pig that’s what I said, the only good pig is a pig that’s dead.”

Klein asked: “I’m not saying that your own group is behind this, but when you’ve got rhetoric of marches of ‘pig pig, bang bang’ referring to police officers, you call them bastards, you are saying basically shoot them. Now people are going out – well trained snipers, shooters – and shooting police officers. Why are you not responsible?”

Balogun tried to blame the U.S. government and police departments. “We think that the conditions themselves creates situations like this,” he said. “And its time for America to take responsibility for the conditions that they created.”

Klein interjected, “Hold on. You say the conditions but what about, again, your own rhetoric? You don’t think that that helps to fuel something like this?”

Glossing over his group’s incitement, Balogun again claimed the U.S. government was ultimately responsible for the murderous actions of the police shooters. “But as to these particular murders,” he stated, “the United States government, the Department of Justice, the police departments who have failed to bring about justice, that’s their responsibility.”

Listen to the relevant portion of the interview here:

According to reports, Micah X. Johnson, who carried out a deadly shooting against police officers two Fridays ago, “liked” the Huey P. Newton Gun Club on Facebook.

One of the group’s other co-founders, Babu Omawale, has said that he recognized Johnson from black community events in Dallas. Omawale is also the so-called national minister of defense for the People’s New Black Panther Party. Despite the ties, Balogun says his group itself is not associated with the New Black Panther Party.

Over the past two weeks, armed members of the Huey P. Newton Gun Club have been seen at demonstrations in Dallas and Baton Rouge.

The following is a transcript of the relevant portion of the interview, which aired on “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio” broadcast on New York’s AM 970 The Answer and News Talk 990 AM in Philadelphia.

KLEIN: You said you don’t condone violence, but I have seen videos where you say pig pig bang bang. In other words, police officer police officer Bang Bang. And on my show last week [New Black Panther Leader and Huey P. Newton Gun Club co-founder] Omowale of your group actually called the police officers who were murdered in Dallas bastards.

You guys call them pigs and then you follow that up with Bang Bang, which is shoot the cop, shoot the cop basically. So don’t you think that maybe your rhetoric is at least responsible?

I’m not saying that your own group is behind this, but when you’ve got rhetoric of marches of ‘pig pig bang bang,’ referring to police officers, you call them bastards, you are saying basically shoot them. Now people are going out – well trained snipers, shooters – and shooting police officers. Why are you not responsible?

BALOGUN: Well, I think the people that should be held responsible are these departments that have not brought about justice for the people. So for example take the city of Dallas. Since we want to speak about Dallas and speak about Micah Xavier Johnson. Take him for example. In 1970, the last officer that was convicted for murder of a civilian in the city of Dallas was officer Darrell Cain. He had shot a twelve-year-old Santos Rodriguez playing Russian roulette. Since then, since 1970 up until this point there has been no Dallas police officer that has been convicted of murder of a citizen.

So what we say is that’s like going to Las Vegas, pulling the slot machine, putting a quarter in the machine and winning on every single occasion. We think that’s absolutely impossible. And you seem to be a very intelligent man. You and I both know we can’t go to Las Vegas and win on every single occasion. So the same case is here in Dallas as well and is in Baton Rouge most definitely. We think that the conditions themselves create situations like this. And its time for America to take responsibility for the conditions that they created.

KLEIN: Hold on. You say the conditions but what about, again, your own rhetoric? You don’t think that that helps to fuel something like this? “Pig pig bang bang”? Police officers shoot bang bang?

BALOGUN: We think that the people should take the position of armed self-defense as it relates to police brutality issues where police don’t respect our rights as human beings. Our right to live. Our right to breathe. And it says so in the United States Constitution whereas when our second amendment rights are being infringed upon, we should have a right to regroup ourselves and take up, you know, positions of self-defense. And I stress the terminology self-defense. So that’s pretty much what we are doing. In terms of our organization the gun club, the Huey P. Newton Gun Club. …

But as to these particular murders, the United States government, the Department of Justice, the police departments who have failed to bring about justice, that’s their responsibility.